Are Savers Dooming the Economy? NO!!!

Thursday, March 5, 2009 8:44 - By The David

Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.

I’ve been pushed around recently, and I’m tired of it. Responsible folks like myself are getting a bad name in the press. I’ve seen quite a few articles describing how people who save money are bad for the country. 

The latest insult came when I read something that explains How Savers Could Doom the Economy. According to the article – and the paradox of thrift - people who are more responsible in their personal finances are actually sabotaging the national economy. How selfish of us!

The line of thinking works something like this:

  • If we, as consumers, cut back on spending in a recession, it only further hurts business. Sales continue to decrease, and as a result, so do stock prices.
  • However, if we choose to increase spending again, business grows. Stock prices increase, and the economy expands again – hopefully averting a recession at the last minute (in a true Jack Bauer-like fashion).
What is your credit rating? I SAID WHAT IS YOUR CREDIT RATING!?!?

What is your credit rating? I SAID WHAT IS YOUR CREDIT RATING?!?

I’m not an economist, but I see a few problems with this simplistic line of thinking.

First, it assumes that spending money can somehow solve problems that were caused by irresponsible spending.

Wasn’t the current economic downturn caused by the sub-prime mortgage crisis? People borrowed more than they could afford, assuming that the rising real estate prices would increase enough to make up for it. It’s was a fool’s gambit, and lenders were all too willing to play along.

The second problem with blaming savers is that it assumes businesses and consumers are obligated to act with the best interests of the national economy in mind. Not their self-interests.

Before we go any further, ask yourself this: do you think businesses do what’s best for their bottom line, or do they sacrifice themselves for the sake of the greater good?

Savers have become a scapegoat, when by all accounts it makes sense to spend less right now. Credit is tight and the job market is weak. Why shouldn’t we try to pay down debt and build an emergency fund?

I’ll take it a step further, and argue that savers are good for the economy. We’re thinking about long term success and prosperity. We won’t be late on our mortgage, miss credit card payments, or declare bankruptcy. We’ll pay our debts and live a sustainable lifestyle.

So what should us savers do to… well… save face? I propose that we refuse to take decisive action.

I’ve heard that there are some stock brokers demanding a new tea party. I say we follow their lead – kind of.

I say we refuse to buy tea, and then refuse to dump it in a major body of water. After all, we’re responsible. Why should we waste our money like that?

I’d rather show defiance by saving even more.

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  • tom
    Very well said, heres another way to look at.

    Imagine there is a fire in the Forrest, and the fire fighter tells you to bring gasoline.

    I mean what this is saying is that if we put out the fire then we have a mess to clean up but if we inflate it, we won't have to deal with it and we can start fresh.
  • I *think* I get what you're saying.

    Some people want us to burn our own forrest to the ground so we're starting over, rather than working hard to clean it up and make it pretty again?
  • @ Rick: People really don't have much choice but to pinch pennies during a recession. If you haven't lost your job yet, you'd bloody well better be saving, because you could find yourself out of work at any time and so will need a large cache of savings to eat and keep a roof over your head. If you have, the only way you'll survive until some jobs open up again is by managing your savings carefully.

    As My Journey points out, a bank or credit union is not Uncle Scrooge's money bin. Bankers take your money and invest it elsewhere (sometimes, as we've seen, unwisely). Among those investments are loans to businesses. Since a large part of our present economic headache stems from sick banks refusing to lend money to businesses, it stands to reason that if Americans had saved more money we might be better off.

    I don't think what's being criticized is saving; it's frugality. They're not quite the same thing, because it's possible to eat in restaurants, buy junk you don't need, rack up credit-card debt, and still put something in your 401(k). To my mind, the fallacy of the argument that living within your means will bring down the nation is that our late, great prosperity was phony. With everyone spending until their income went mostly to service debt, no one had a REAL nickel or dime to rub together. When the bank owns your car, your house, your furniture, your clothes, and the dinner you sit down to at a restaurant, you're renting your whole life and you have nothing. Although you may look affluent, the truth is you're living in poverty. Living on the cuff creates the illusion of wealth, but it's only an illusion.

    When everyone spends and saves responsibly, from the average person in the street to the A.I.G.'s of this world, then the economy will be healthy. The economy is healthy when most consumers, businesses, and lenders are healthy.
  • You summed up my feelings spot on -

    "the fallacy of the argument that living within your means will bring down the nation is that our late, great prosperity was phony"

    What we're seeing now is a return to more sustainable patterns by consumers (at least for the time being). I think it's a good thing, because it means that more people will hopefully have a security net in place for bad times.

    Wouldn't it be a good thing if more homeowners had a backup fund now, when people are losing their jobs?

    I think that showing personal responsibility can only help the economy in the long run.
  • I have been using DesktopBudget.com to manage my personal finances for a few months now. Its the easient to use free, offline personal finance manager I have seen so far.
  • AllProductsOptional
    I majorly agree with you. The truth is, those who invest on wall street are people just like everyone else. They don't decide whether to invest based on one simple fact. If they know what they are doing, they look at the overall picture. Good investors will also realize that down times like these show you which companies will be the next great stocks to own.

    It's all cyclical. Everything comes down to how well you were prepared, and how quickly you can adjust to changes. People who have made the best decisions will end up on top.

    Thank you for being one of few voices of reason still around.
  • Thanks.

    That's one thing to always remember - the experts are always human. It doesn't matter if they're on Wall St., Main St., or some guy out on the corner.

    You do have to look at the overall picture. That's why I feel like saving more now is a good idea for most people, because we weren't saving enough.

    And you're right about things being cyclical. I can't say when things will turn around, just that they will. And it's the people who are thinking ahead that will ride the wave to the top (though I must point out that we're making acting on our plans now - not trying to time the market).
  • If, like the federal government, I could print money I didn't have then maybe I'd spend money I didn't have. I wholeheartedly agree it's absurd to imagine that they way to get us out of the economic malaise is by doing more of what got us into this situation in the first place.
  • We're in the same boat. If you don't do anything different, you'll get the same results. And I feel like the government's response to keep businesses and mortgage holders a float could be counter productive in the long run.

    Right now, we have businesses that are in danger of failing because they depended on unsustainable trends. Wouldn't it be better to let them fail, and allow their resources (employees, talent, etc...) back into the economy? Keeping things stuck where they are only postpones a true recovery and period of growth and innovation.
  • Pimp,

    You may be smarter than you give yourself credit for. I am not an economist, but was an economics major during college (the wonderful years), and distinctly remember our fractional reserve system. Which basically states that nearly all the money in a savings account can be used to create loans.

    So if you save $100 - this gives banks the opportunity to lend (lets call it) $90, to someone who wants to start a business, buy a home, etc. Which then inturns keeps our economy moving. So you saving, actually HELPS our economy! The speed bump incurs when you save it, and the bank doesn't lend it, i.e. Credit Freeze!

    Keep Saving
  • That's funny you mention that today - I saw another article and video about how savers hurt the economy, but none of these media pieces mention that banks aren't lending what the money they have. At the very least, aren't the issues related?

    It seems like you need more than just increased spending to fix this...businesses need to innovate (produce products that are of greater quality, cheaper, or solve problems innovatively), and banks need to lend money.

    I didn't realize that so much of our money could be lended out.

    Oh - and I will keep saving. You don't have to worry about that :)
  • Hmm, I haven't really seen media coverage saying saving is BAD, must have missed that. I have seen articles explaining basic Econ 101, as demand decreases, the economy shrinks. That's just the way it is, it's not a judgement against savers, I wouldn't take it personally.

    In the long-run, saving is great for the economy because eventually when you have a bunch of money in your bank account you will spend it (buy a house, furnish it, buy food, whatever). I doubt very much you are just saving to die with a bunch of money in your bank account. In the end, money is a way of buying the things you find valuable.

    In the short run, though, it does effect the economy by contracting it. Something that is probably necessary to squeeze out the excesses caused by excessive credit spending over the last several decades. It's not a call for people to go out and spend irresponsibly when commentators try and explain the causes of recession. They are simply pointing out how a dollar spent works in the economic machine.

    I myself spent my working years saving a bunch of money (not really doing my full part for the economy!) so that I could retire at age 44 last year. Now, I inadvertently do my part for the economy as I use that money to buy things like food, shelter, and entertainment. It's got to last a long time, so I must spend responsibly, but it's just the other side of the saving coin, so to speak.
  • I feel like a lot of those Econ 101 articles have been giving savers a bad rap, because they say that we're hurting the economy. But they don't mention that irresponsible spending would probably hurt the economy even more, and that most people really should be saving more anyway.

    I plan on using my money for investing - as soon as I build up an emergency fund. I want to guarantee long term stability.

    Then I'll definitely use my money to help the economy - and my new worth - grow :)

    By the way - how did you retire at 44?

    And you're absolutely right. Spending responsibly is the key. Most people haven't been doing that
  • UWF
    I found a Blog for this assignment just by searching Google’s BlogSearch at http://pimpyourfinances.com entitled “Are Savers Dooming the Economy? NO!!!” written by The David.
    The focus of this blog is in response to the media reporting that people are being frugal and saving their money instead of spending recklessly and further damaging the economy. Although this article appears to have a target audience of responsible spenders and savers, it also appears to be journalistic in nature. It appears this writer is journaling his thoughts in an effort to target specific like minded citizens.
    The posts associated with this blog do seem to attract additional replies and it appears that this writer is widely read. He also seems very knowledgeable on the subject of the economy and has straight forward ideas and opinions regarding the economy. The impact of this blog is it has given the average person the opportunity to share their mutual frustration of the effects the economy has had on their lives also.
    I found the post from Doctor Gonzo to be particularly interesting. He believes now is the time to be spending money. I agree. While things are cheap...buy! Unfortunately, most Americans don’t have the savings reserve that this man has been able to successfully acquire. Most of us spend as we earn, how sad. This would be the perfect time, if we had saved responsibly all along, to buy homes and resell them later when the market improves for a handsome profit.
    If we had all been smart, we would have had a nest egg just for such times as these. Most of the people I know though didn’t sit around thinking about the ‘future’ recession that we now are in the midst of. If we start saving now before the prices go up, then we could have the potential for financial gain later. Who knows, possibilities do exist!
  • Hi UWF,

    Thanks for stopping by (and also for using this as an assignment I think?)

    I agree that Gonzo's reply is worth noting. He's done everything he should have and is comfortable, even in the midst of a recession.

    I'm holding my own, but I can't say I have security right now.

    It is sad that most of us basically work just enough to pay the bills (if we're lucky). I feel like there has to be a fundamental change for us to get back on the right track.

    And just as a side note - I wouldn't call myself knowledgable. I'm just someone with an appetite to learn more, especially from the successes of others (like Gonzo).

    I also hope that by being open and honest here, I may be able to help others avoid my mistakes.

    Thanks again for stopping by!
  • Fine post and something the economic community needs to hear.

    "Personal finance" should never be driven by what's good for the US economy, but rather what's good for the individual and his or her household. A sound personal finance philosophy should not waver with shifts in the securities market or the general economy. For example, a family shouldn't buy a car because there are great deals or spend a $100 at Costco because they can purchase 500 liters of Pepsi on sale. Moreover, folks should not want to buy a home because there are great deals available (rather because they need a home and have a healthy down payment).

    The idea of saving is something we all need to re-learn in the US. I'm not anti-consumerism, but I'm certainly advocating a savings rate higher than what we've had in the US over the last 30 years.

    Excellent post, David!
  • Thanks Scordo!

    I think a strong economy starts with a strong individual. After all, the high spending of the past few years isn't helping the economy now.

    However, if we had more people that could afford their debts, the economy wouldn't be in such bad shape.

    I do agree that game plans shouldn't depend on if the economy is good or bad. After all, you can't predict what's going to happen.

    Buying stuff you don't need just because it's on sale, but if it's something you were already interested in or needed, then now is a good time to take advantage of it. Assuming that the quantities are reasonable of course, and you have the money to pay for it.

    I agree...we need a higher savings rate. The spending we've had recently isn't sustainable. What we're seeing now is probably the norm, and the past few years have just been the exception.
  • dagman
    I agree that saving is not irresponsible in this economy. I think a lot pf people misunderstand the cause of this crisis. A lot of people blame the subprime mortgages but this was just the weakest link in the debt chain and so was first to collapse. All types of debt are now at unsustainable levels except maybe government but they are not well on their way to increasing that to dangerous levels too.

    Interest levels became so low that people increased their debt to the point where they can't even pay off the principal never mind additional interest. The only way out of this mess is debt relief across the board, although it will be painful it's better than slowly bleeding the economy to death.
  • I'll admit that blaming sub-prime was over simplification on my part, but I skimmed over that because it wasn't really the focus of this post.

    How would debt relief work? I see why it's needed, but I don't really understand who'll take the hit for it, or how you make sure that the right people get it.
  • I've read these as well. This is insane! Even if savers are somehow hurting the economy in a small way, oh well. It's your money and the only person you should care about when it comes to your money is you. Others who live destructively should pay the price.
  • I agree. You have to take care of yourself, because no one else will.
  • Way to Go David:
    The savings rate in the US has been in the negative numbers for years. How is this possible? Because even though there are some who still believe in saving and being fiscally responsible, the vast majority spend like there is no tomorrow. When they run out of cash, or cant stretch the plastic any further, they treated their houses like the local ATM. (why shouldn't they have the best and biggest, after all the value of houses is only going up! Right?).

    So now the unpatriotic bill paying savers are being taxed to cover their debts and blamed for the economy that irresponsible practices put us into.
  • Thanks Robert! I'm glad you liked it. I see the talking heads on CNBC sticking up for the financial industry, so I thought someone should stand up for the rest of us.

    I used to spend like there's no tomorrow, but I've seen the error of my ways. Lukcily I was modest and responsible when it came to picking out my house, so I have no regrets, even though I bought right before the real estate market crashed.

    Unfortunately we all have to pay for the irresponsibility of others though
  • SDman
    Yeah!!!!!!! Save more! Just because we've been doing the right thing doesn't mean we've caused problems for everyone else or are prolonging them. I don't think we should cut off spending, but there's nothing wrong with saving up for something before you spend.
  • Exactly!

    I'm not saying stop spending all together. Just make sure to save some money too. I don't have a real emergency fund, so I'm going to work on that.

    I'm also going to work on investing more, because that's a better place for my money long term. I don't think we should stay away from stocks at all right now, because they're bargains compared to historical prices.
  • I don't really agree with the post but I don't totally disagree either. They aren't coming down on savers. They are just saying that saving during a recession exacerbates the recession. By saving you are putting your money into a bank. Normally those banks lend money out to consumers. That money isn't getting spread around do to new risk tolerances and a lack of demand for consumer loans (people are saving). So what we have is people putting money into banks which can't do anything with it. Saving is great during periods of growth because there is more money that can be loaned out.
  • I agree that the paradox of thrift doesn't reflect negatively on savers, but I feel like the media coverage of increased savings has been unfair. I see too many articles that talk about how saving hurts the economy, but they don't mention that reckless spending was partly to blame for the crash, or that many people simply can't afford to keep up their previous spending levels.

    I can see how cutting back spending can make the recession worse, but I think you have to take into consideration that the boom we had recently wasn't based on sustainable spending.

    That's one reason why I think spending money now - when most people can't afford to - would hurt the economy in the long run, because it could lead to more defaults on credit cards, loans, and mortgages.

    If you have the money, by all means, spend it.

    And myself, I'm still spending money, I'm just making a more effective use of it. I'm also planning on investing more soon.
  • Doctor Gonzo
    I disagree. Now is a great time to be spending money: things are awfully cheap. I'm actually spending more than I used to before, since I am pretty secure in my job and I have a good chunk of savings built up. Given that I've been responsible, why not spend when things are on sale?
  • People should be taking advantage of bargains, if it's something they want/need - and most importantly - can afford.

    I'm not saying that people should stop spending all together. Just that for most people, myself included, they haven't been saving as much money as they should have been.

    Good for you for being responsible all along - you're probably the exception rather than the rule. You should definitely be enjoying yourself.

    Once I get my finances more on track, I plan on taking advantages of low travel prices to take a nice vacation on the beach.
  • You are absolutely right.
    I am certainly not going to spend every last peny I have just to save the economy. If I was to get seriously in debt, who would bail me out? Correct, no-one. This is greedy bankers and greedy consumers that have brought this on, and I for one will do everything I can for mine and my families self presevation. So that means I will save and spend less.
  • Hi Garry,

    I have the same attitude as you. I'm not going to stop spending all together, but I'm certainly going to optimize my spending and make sure to focus on protecting what I have.

    I feel like making sure we survive in the long run financially is better for than economy in the long run than spending more than we can afford.
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