Jim Cramer Responds to Jon Stewart

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:07 - By The David

[Note - this was updated to include some new information that came from the Daily Show last night. I guess I need to do my homework and watch Comedy Center more]

 

Last week on the Daily Show, Jon Stewart delivered a blistering commentary on Jim Cramer and Co. at CNBC. On Monday, Cramer responded in his blog at Mainstreet.com. Here was the portion directed at Stewart:

The pundits won’t engage in the merits of, say, favoring Tier 1 capital for the banks vs. common equity, or forbearing on the banks to work the situation out over time because the banks can be profitable if we have some patience. They just attack me.

Take Frank Rich and Jon Stewart. Both seize on the urban legend that I recommended Bear Stearns the week before it collapsed, even though I was saying that I thought it could be worthless as soon as the following week.

I did tell an emailer that his deposit in his account at Bear Stearns was safe, but through a clever sound bite, Stewart, and subsequently Rich — neither of whom have bothered to listen to the context of the pulled quote — pass off the notion of account safety as an out-and-out buy recommendation.

The absurdity astounds me. If you called Mad Money and asked me about Citigroup, I would tell you that the common stock might be worthless, but I would never tell you to pull your money out of the bank because I was worried about its solvency.

Your money is safe in Citi as I said it was in Bear. The fact that I was right rankles me even more. I never said the same thing about Lehman, where your accounts weren’t safe.

I expect a skewering from the comedian Stewart. I was shocked, however, that the rigorous Rich wouldn’t investigate further and relied on the show’struncation of the truth.

His rebuttal comes down to four key points:

  1. His quote on leaving your money in Bear Stearns on March 11th, 2008 was intentionally taken out of context
  2. He was right, because he was referring to the safety of deposits in the bank, not the value of the stock
  3. He never recommended Bear Stearns as an outright buy
  4. As early as the following week, he said that Bear Stearns might be worthless

In the interest of fairness, I’m going to take a look at all the claims, and provide links to all my sources. That way, you can be the judge.

 

1. The Bear Stearns Quote was taken out of context

Verdict: true.

The complete exchange from the March 11th show actually went like this:

Dear Jim:
Should I be worried about Bear Stearns in terms of liquidity, and get my money out of there?

Cramer says:
No no no! Bear Stearns is not in trouble. If anything, they’re more likely to be taken over. Don’t move your money from bear.

 

2. Cramer was right, because he was referring to the safety of deposits in the bank, not the value of the stock

Verdict: unclear, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on this

While the original caller confirmed in a later episode that he was asking about the safety of his deposits (source: wikipedia), it’s still unclear what Cramer was referring to in his response.

He clarified his remarks on March 17th on CNBC’s Street Signs, saying:

Keeping money at Bear – I guess I could have caused a run on the bank and said take your money out of Bear. I guess people could say hold it, he’s saying buy the common stock. I mean, what the heck. I cannot cause a run.

It turned out the Federal Reserve guaranteed the money. I’m not going to tell people to pull money out of these places. The Federal Reserve is guaranteeing the money.

After reading his clarification, it seems like there are a few things noticeably absent in his original statement.

Nowhere did he mention anything about the FDIC or the Federal Reserve, or even use the word “deposits”, which would’ve made his intentions clear. And the blanket statement “Bear Stearns is not in trouble” is broad enough that it could seen as referring to stocks also.

 

3. Cramer never recommended Bear Stearns as an outright buy

Verdict: false.

It appears as if Cramer did not recommend to buy Bear Stearns on the March 11th show, although many many of the sites that track his show interpreted it that way (such as the unofficial Cramers-Mad-Money.com or the equally unofficial Seeking Alpha: Kramer’s Picks).

However, if you go back to Cramer’s March 6th show, he had the following to say during his “Buy / Sell” segment:

I believe in the Bear Stearns franchise. Bear Stearns at $69 bucks? I’m not giving up on the thing.

That sounds like a recommendation to buy, or certainly not to sell, to me.

In the Lightning Round segment of the same show, he added:

Bear’s a great financial brand, but aside of Hudson City Bancorp, [I] can’t get behind any banks in the market

If Cramer’s advice on was not a recommendation to buy, it was walking a fine line (and he definitely never suggested selling). He had established a pattern of defending and praising Bear Stearns in the two weeks prior to their collapse.

 

4. As early as the following week, he said that Bear Stearns might be worthless

Verdict: true, but ultimately pointless.

Cramer may have actually said it that same week, on Friday, March 14th, at least according to another statement he made on the March 17th episode of Street Signs:

I said the common stock was worthless on Friday, as soon as this thing was at 36 because we saw a look at the bonds. If you kept your money in Bear you made out. You got the liquidity.

Even if he did say that Friday, it would have done little for investors. By that point, the stock had been plummeting for three days.

Here’s the history of Bear Stearns from that week (according to Bloomberg.com, the wikipedia history of Bear Stearns, and a page about the Bear Stearn class action lawsuit):

  • On Tuesday, March 11th,  Bear Stearns closed at $62.97.
  • On Wednesday, March 12, Bear Stearns closed at $61.58. CEO Alan Schwartz realized the company wouldn’t have enough cash to operate through the end of the week, and called government officials, regulators, and JP Morgan’s CEO.
  • On Thursday, March 13th, the stock closed at $57. After a series of late night discussions, the Fed announced they were providing cash, but only through JP Morgan, because Bear Stearn didn’t have direct access to the Fed.
  • On Friday, March 14th, the emergency loan deal was announced, and the bottom fell out. The stock closed at $30.
  • On Sunday, March 16th, JP Morgan made an offer to buy Bear Stearns for $2 per share.
  • On Monday, March 18th, Bear Stearns opened trading at $3 a share.

So even if Cramer did call the stock worthless at $36, that still would’ve been after a drop of 43.8% over just three days.

Couple that with the fact that the only way Bear Stearns could get emergency funding was through another bank, and it shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone that the company was in dire straights by that point.

 

Summary

Cramer was at least partially correct in his rebuttal, but he failed to deliver a knock out punch in vindicating himself.

All he said was basically “you can’t prove that I said to buy Bear Stearns,” but for me, that’s not very satisfying. He couldn’t prove it wasn’t what he meant, and the best follow up he had was to call it worthless shortly before the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department forced Bear Stearns to sell itself. Not exactly timely advice.

Also, despite replying in a six page blog entry, Cramer only found time to reply to one of Stewart’s five criticisms. I read Cramer’sresponse with an open mind, but in my opinion, it left a lot of questions unanswered.

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  • I think it's great The Daily Show has finally hit its stride with the financial crisis, and if comedians can continue to puncture the ridiculous egotistical bubble that surrounded the financial services industry (and which the bear market has already hugely deflated), that's a good thing for all of us...

    However I do feel a bit "there but for the grace of God go I" about looking back over shows for bad recommendations like this.

    Nearly any commentator would look foolish in the context of what's happened in the past 18 months, and the few uber-bears who wouldn't looked foolish for the 5-10 years before.

    To put a post where my keyboard is, I wrote about buying in the bear market well over 12 months ago:

    http://monevator.com/2008/01/22/being-fearfully...

    Do I regret that post (or the buying?) I certainly regret how long the post is! ;)

    Obviously I wish I'd waited, but wishing isn't a strategy in the stock market and hindsight is the best investor. At the time (and throughout 2008) dollar cost averaging down made (and makes) sense to me. (Ironically, rereading it I see I mentioned Cramer, but spelled his name Seinfield style! ;) )

    There were few reputations made after the 1929 crash. Even Ben Graham took a pasting!

    As I say, I'm loving the Daily Show vs CNBC battle, and appreciate your keeping up with it. Just offering a small note from the other side...
  • I am glad that comedians are making these experts look human again.

    I agree that it's unfair and possibly unrepresentative to go back and cherry pick mistakes (or successes), but I almost feel like some experts deserve it given their behavior

    Look at the degree of confidence that Cramer gives with every pick. He makes a living giving short term, even day-to-day trading advice.

    I'm a fan of long-term investing, as are you. The quote from your excellent post says it all:

    "There are plenty of investors who’ve amassed huge sums by investing for decades throughout market cycles, but there’s nobody who infallibly calls short-term movements right."

    I agree that most commentors, and even investors, look foolish given the recent crash. My returns certainly do look foolish :)

    But like you, I'm not going to stop buying. We've already established that we can't time the market, so what other options do we have?

    Trying to put our money into cash until it goes up again, then selling before it goes down, then buying when it goes back up? We'll just hurt ourselves in the long run.

    I'm going to keep buying, and actually try to increase the money I'm putting into the market.

    Even in hindsight, I still feel like I did the best that I could, using dollar cost averaging to invest in a low-cost, index based portfolio.


    Sorry, got a little off topic there.

    So I do agree that it is a little bit unfair to pick only on certain commentators and certain recommendations, but I feel like it's OK given the advice they've been giving.

    Buffet was down last year too, and no one is picking on him. But you didn't see him ever yelling to BUY BUY BUY or use sound effects to give his advice. And his strategy hasn't changed a bit - buy quality for the long term.

    If any good comes out of this debate (other than comedy), I hope that it may convince some uninformed investors that they shouldn't just listen to whatever the man on TV says.
  • Cramer and the rest of the financial media make it up as they go. Take yesterday for example, attributing each gyration in the market both up and down to the same merger announcement. what a joke!
    http://tinyurl.com/b5gedn
  • If the talking heads were worth their weight in salt, they could tell us what's going to happen next, not try to explain what has already happened.
  • Exotic Electron
  • Thanks for the link! I updated my post with the new info.
  • roger
    you must not have caught the last night daily show... stewart broke down the validity =p


    He did recommend as a buy and there's a clip stewart has. but that was like 17 weeks before it crashed i think
  • Yes, last night Stewart was on the ball. Very funny w/ his apology. I believe Cramer was on this morning on MSNBC, defending himself even more http://tinyurl.com/b3tw9u . To be perfectly honest, I am getting confused as to when these replies are coming out b/c they are so quick!

    I find it comical Cramer finds the need to defend himself, it just plays into Stewarts material moreso. Stewart is a comedian first. He always used to start his show off by subtly mentioning "This is the Fake News!".
  • The whole CNBC bit over the past week has been a gold mine for Stewart. I loved the intro they did to the segment with the fake CNBC shows, like "five angry bald guys" and "the stock pickin' chicken."

    I think Cramer has to defend himself so visibly because he knows he is full of hot air. If he can paint himself as a victim and point out a few of his successes, then he keeps himself alive, and maybe even grows in popularity.

    I love how Cramer pans Stewart as just a comedian, yet he is justifying the comedian for the second day in a row.

    Yesterday he responded to Stewart's criticism in the same post that he responded to comments from the White House.

    Today, he goes on national media and talks about Stewart. If he's "just a comedian" and doesn't have a point, why does he even respond at all?

    Thanks for the link to the MSNBC video.
  • I agree completely... Cramer should have just let it go. I think it is great that he has made them have a hissy fit.

    Check out Cramer on The Colbert Report http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/03/06/s...
  • Cramer should have either let it go, but I hope Jon Stewart doesn't let up. I'll be watching at 11 tonight for another response.
  • OH MAN DID YOU WATCH LAST NIGHT? The opening 10 minutes to last nights show might have been one of Jon Stewart's best shows!! This is becoming an amazing back and forth thing and Mr Stewart IMO is totally owning Cramer! You might have to create a new post for every response by each guy! Not only did the Daily Show hit gold with this but Pimp Your Finances is cleaning up too!!!!
  • Just watched the clip, and loved it. The Dora the explorer part was awesome!

    I love how Cramer look bad for going on the media tour, and then Stewart uses cartoons to make him look even worse.

    I'll probably post a recap of rounds 3 (Monday's Daily Show), 4 (Cramer on Today show), and 5 (Last night's daily show), but I'll do it all in one post. I could make the whole blog about Cramer and Stewart this week, but I'd like to try to sneak in some regular stuff too.
  • It was amazing!!!

    I loved the Dora the Explorer interview and when Jon Stewart said, "You make me sound like I'm some kind of buffoon, just flapping my arms with crazy buttons and wacky sound effects," the host of "The Daily Show". He then cuts to a clip of Cramer on his show "Mad Money," punching buttons that make wacky sound effects. He really made a fool out of him.
  • CRAMER IS GOING TO BE ON THURSDAYS SHOW!!!!!

    http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/03/10/b...
  • Great news for everyone!

    I can see this getting tense...things started out somewhat respectable at first, but after Cramer started knocking Stewart as "just a comedian" and the Daily Show as "a variety show", the gloves seem to have come off.

    The Daily Show's response last night was hilarious, but not nearly as scholarly as it's previous bits.

    I'm sure that TDS will have a huge real of Cramer quotes and clips ready for him.

    I think Cramer will end up looking like a scared dog in a corner here.
  • Yea, I just saw that. How civil do you think it will be?

    Stewart last night did a good job at exposing Cramer by playing the network card but I wish he would have got Colbert involved.
  • Thanks for the heads up! I did not know about that until you mentioned it.

    It's good to see Stewart responding so quickly. Maybe Cramer will respond again?
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